Mystical Angels - Since Priest don't have the authority to forgive Sin?

Since Priest don't have the authority to forgive Sin?

And only God does should the following Scriptures be removed from the Bible so it can be updated .......... I. Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins. John 20:22 - the Lord "breathes" on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord "breathes" divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place. John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear. Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to "men." Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles' successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors? Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth. Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors. Matt. 18:18 - the apostles are given authority to bind and loose. The authority to bind and loose includes administering and removing the temporal penalties due to sin. The Jews understood this since the birth of the Church. John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 - the power to remit/retain sin is also the power to remit/retain punishment due to sin. If Christ's ministers can forgive the eternal penalty of sin, they can certainly remit the temporal penalty of sin (which is called an "indulgence"). 2 Cor. 2:10 - Paul forgives in the presence of Christ (some translations refer to the presences of Christ as "in persona Christi"). Some say that this may also be a reference to sins. 2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance. James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man's authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess our sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church. 1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness. Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others. II. The Necessity and Practice of Orally Confessing Sins James 5:16 - James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God. James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church. Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins. Acts 19:18 - many came to orally confess sins and divulge their sinful practices. Oral confession was the practice of the early Church just as it is today. Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 - again, this shows people confessing their sins before others as an historical practice (here to John the Baptist). 1 Tim. 6:12 - this verse also refers to the historical practice of confessing both faith and sins in the presence of many witnesses. 1 John 1:9 - if we confess are sins, God is faithful to us and forgives us and cleanse us. But we must confess our sins to one another. Num. 5:7 - this shows the historical practice of publicly confessing sins, and making public restitution. 2 Sam. 12:14 - even though the sin is forgiven, there is punishment due for the forgiven sin. David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin). Neh. 9:2-3 - the Israelites stood before the assembly and confessed sins publicly and interceded for each other. Sir. 4:26 - God tells us not to be ashamed to confess our sins, and not to try to stop the current of a river. Anyone who has experienced the sacrament of reconciliation understands the import of this verse. Baruch 1:14 - again, this shows that the people made confession in the house of the Lord, before the assembly. 1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 - there is a distinction between mortal and venial sins. This has been the teaching of the Catholic Church for 2,000 years, but, today, most Protestants no longer agree that there is such a distinction. Mortal sins lead to death and must be absolved in the sacrament of reconciliation. Venial sins do not have to be confessed to a priest, but the pious Catholic practice is to do so in order to advance in our journey to holiness. Matt. 5:19 - Jesus teaches that breaking the least of commandments is venial sin (the person is still saved but is least in the kingdom), versus mortal sin (the person is not saved).

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Thanks for that. Did you compile these verses yourself or do you have a source?
I think the Catholic church disagrees with you. There are going to be a lot of pissed of Catholics if they can't.
You may be citing references, but you are misquoting and taking Scripture out of context. Matthew 18:6, "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
Catholic Priests do not hold the Melchizidek Priesthood that was given to the Apostles. Notice that He gave the authority to the apostles, not the priests. Priests of the New and Old testaments only held the lesser priesthood (Levitical or Aaronic). Confessing sins to each other is only necessary to make restitution and right the wrong. Only certain offices of the priesthood can forgive sin, and I'm sorry, but priest is not one of them.
no these verses should not be taken out of the Holy Bible. God Bless.
Priests don't have the authority but apostles do. Those scriptures can stay. An apostle is a disciple that has been sent by God to a certain people, state, or country. With that said, there are apostles yet today, few mind you, but there are some.
I read a little of it, - but there's really just too much. A couple of major points is as follows: 1. Jesus is the only intercessor man requires to be reconciled to God the Father. 2. No extra, man-made steps are required. 3. True repentance is known by God. Can a priest ever discern that the sinner has 'true' repentance? Has a priest ever rejected a 'confession'? 4. Jesus claimed he was acting on the authority of God the Father Himself, - esp. for healing and forgiving. 5. There is the unique office and special gifts of the Holy Spirit given to the (12) apostles. Paul wrote, that not all the 'gifts' would endure. All hermeneutics must be aligned with these great(er) doctrines.
Jesus gave the authority to forgive sins and to not forgive them Peace
Are you suggesting that we change God's Word? If He didn't want those scriptures (that are in the Bible) to be known, wouldn't He have left them out? God has a purpose for everything that is written in the Bible, it is His divine Word. I would be playing God if I were to suggest corrections to it. The Bible was meant to be read as it was written, I suggest going to the original language and start from there. Some translations don't translate as clear as they should.
Traditions of men make void the Word of God.
Anything Jesus did was by the leave of God, simple as that. We confess our sins to God he is the only one that is with any power to forgive. The Bible has been altered and changed many times to suit governments, politicians kings and clergy. If you want to know why God sent the Quran this is why. Nothing has been changed or altered not a single letter. The Quran supersedes the Torah and the Bible for exactly this reason....
No because the priest is acting "in persona Christi" or in the place of Christ. Priests never did forgive sins - God does.
"in order to advance in our journey to holiness." In your whole rant, this is the key that you can expect more opposition from than any other. Although, there is a LOT to sort through. I think from your outline, I will just say, "We disagree on nearly 100% of your interpretations" God Bless.
To suggest the removal of something from the scriptures shows much. You are seriously misguided.
Christians can confess their sins to others all they want. But they wont be cleansed by those people, only through christ. Its like getting saved..You cant get saved by the priests, only by Jesus Christ!
God sent Jesus to forgive us of our sins. Which God and Jesus are one. If you did something mean to me...why would going to a priest for forgiveness mean I would forgive you? It wouldn't. You need to go to the source of which you were being mean to and ask that person to forgive you.
The Priest were under the law of old,,,Jesus became the High Priest when hw went to Calvary and died,, Jesus said no one come,s to the Father except by me and to ask him for forgivness and he will grant it,, and the aposles were of old,,they are dead,,,we must go thur Christ and not man to be forgiven.
really what is your point here? the bible is perfect as is. you just have to have the understanding of it as God would want it understood! this is why people argue over who is rite and who is wrong. well we will all find out soon wont we? and remember to always pray for Gods understanding of His word b/4 reading it, ask Him to open your heart and mind,your eyes so that you can know how He wants it to be understood, not the way man wants it understood, this is why there are so many religions and different churches today they want to do things there way but there is only one way and that is Jesus Christ, and only His church will make it as is bride. and i don't mean the name of the church it is up to each of us to work out our own salvation it is between the person and Jesus God Bless
I looked up the first two verses and that is NOT what it says. But i'll tell you this: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book
You are correct in that those who profess to be priests, ministers, and the like who have no authority to preach, have no authority to forgive the sins of individuals because they do not represent Christ to those whom they presume to serve. The many Christian churches of Christendom simple have never received any authority from Christ to represent him. Only those who have the authority, the proper authority of the Everlasting Priesthood of God, that same power and authority that was given to the "true" servants of God, chosen by Christ, whether in his day, or in the days of Adam and Eve, or in these present times, these and only these have had or will have the power to forgive sins. This topic of authority is somewhat a tacky subject in that so many ministers and so called priests are under the illusion that they have been called to the ministry, and all the while their efforts in that respect are completely vain. At no time has God, or his Son Jesus Christ ever revealed a single word to any priest or minister in all of Christendom. And the only thing they have is a Bible, which is nothing more than a summary of all the words of all the Prophets of old. The record of the Bible is indeed important, but it has no authority in and of itself. And if one is to believe the Bible, which Bible of all the many versions of Bibles would one go to to get the truth? Authority only comes from a living source, or in other words, a living being and whether that living being is God, Jesus Christ, or any spirit that has passed on into the eternal worlds as a Saint whether still a spirit or a resurrected being , or a mortal living person who has had this power bestowed upon their heads, these and only these have power to forgive sins. They are the Judges in Israel and hold the keys of power mentioned in all your references found in the Bible. And Israel is not a location but is any place where the true Saints of God can be found and sometimes has reference to the Saints themselves. Israel began with Jacob and his family of twelve sons. The scriptures you quote clearly speak of this power, and that it was given to the Apostles and Prophets of old. There are live Prophets and Apostles on the earth today, in abundance, but the world, the Christian world of Christendom are largely not aware of them, neither are they interested in there messages these Prophets and Apostles would bring to them. This of course is an abomination to God himself, and thus in the words of Christ that all Christian churches of Christendom are an abomination toHim, thus they could not possible have any power to forgive any sin of any person. Unfortunately it is close to impossible to convince the sinner of his or her plight and so life goes on to the end when all knees shall bow and every tongue confess the Christ and his people are indeed who and what they say they are. Then all will know that the power of the priesthood was indeed among them and they rejected the Prophets. All must come face to face with reality at some point in their future existence as children of God. All came forth from the presence of God, but all will not return. Only those who have had their sins forgiven thru the repentance process put forth by Christ, these and only these will return and live with God the Father of us all. as always.....just the way it is.....yakiti_yak